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Старый 13.05.2009, 21:17   #76
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I was living in the America I loved in the late 90ies... then came the clampdown, the witchhunt atmosphere, the infernal deficits with nothing to show for them, the continuing chain of embarrassments abroad... For me this is return to normalcy -- Obama is like Clinton, only with better management skills and without the dropping-pants problem.

I don't like the one-party state idea, but it's not within my power to stop GOP's self-inflicted implosion.
Well, I liked the 90s as well but then there was 9/11, with it came the realization that things changed, that American mainland is no longer immune to attacks by enemies of all sorts, especially islamofascist fanatics. What kind of action by our government did you expect? What would you have done? Lobbed a couple of missiles into Afghanistan to scare some camels, like Clinton did after the Cole attack?
If Al Gore was elected in 2000 we would still be negotiating with Taliban today, finalizing the details of implementing islamic law in the US (slight exaggerration, of course).

Deficits are the result of a war that we did not start, that no one here wanted, and of republicans becoming liberals by forgetting the commitment to fiscal responsibility. I don't like the clampdown and witchhunt atmosphere any more than you do but...
1) I personally do not feel any kind of clampdown except hightened security at airports
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2) the clampdown is arguably better than a casual attitude towards a dangerous enemy, than lack of principles in foreign policy
(let's bow to a saudi king, let's embrace Chavez, let's have a friendly talk with crazy iranian fuehrer while he is developing warheads that can reach our allies and possibly our shores as well), than having another 3000 innocent people die in an american city because Obama decided that being popular abroad, and among America's enemies in particular, is more important than defeating fascists and religious fanatics.
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Please forgive us for talking too much and let us know if we can help you improve your English in any way.
I join you there.

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I sware I was not planning to get into political discussions here.
if you want to make god laugh, tell him about your plans for the future.

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Majority of natives i know - speak the same of US of 60-s
Actually, for me, the most important thing is that governments come and go, but America remains America. Peaceful transition of power, constitutional government, mostly clean elections, etc.

I hated the fact that Bush had gotten elected, but i was damn proud of the fact that the elections happened, and the government had accepted the results.

of course it's a lot more pleasant to have your guy win, but the very fact that there can be orderly, lawful, Constitutional wins and losses -- that is just about the best thing about USA.
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Must admit - i've never crossed the border of Ukraine in my entire life)))) For now - Kiev. But i am somewhat of a redneck, who came to the capital to earn some gold))))

Good for you! Means that you have plenty of opportunity for you.

Btw. I was shocked when I first time start working in Amsterdam (Technical University of Amsterdam). They speak English very well and they speak their own language. I thought that I was German or some sort of German; apparently I was wrong.
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Well, I liked the 90s as well but then there was 9/11, with it came the realization that things changed, that American mainland is no longer immune to attacks by enemies of all sorts, especially islamofascist fanatics. What kind of action by our government did you expect? What would you have done?
Well, for one, not attack Iraq. Saddam was an evil SOB, but we can't go around the world hunting down random evil SOBs. he had nothing to do with 9/11. We should have stuck to fixing Afghanistan.

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Deficits are the result of a war that we did not start
Oh come on. Those were deficits created by the wholly republican government. Tax cuts + spending hikes, outside a recession? Ridiculous.

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1) I personally do not feel any kind of clampdown except hightened security at airports
Oh, it's eased up by now; but during the first year or two, to be against the Iraq invasion was to be publicly branded a traitor.

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having another 3000 innocent people die in an american city because Obama decided that being popular abroad, and among America's enemies in particular, is more important than defeating fascists and religious fanatics.
How much more military entanglement are you willing to endure? Our military is already stretched thin.

This isn't a question of what we would do in an ideal world of unlimited resources. Our resources are limited.
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How much more military entanglement are you willing to endure? Our military is already stretched thin. This isn't a question of what we would do in an ideal world of unlimited resources. Our resources are limited.
We have plenty of resources for defeating our enemies. On the other hand our resources are grossly inadequate for building "democracy" in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The military is designed to kill the enemy. If you have no plans to kill, if you want to promote democracy - don't use the military, send in Nancy Pelosi (just kidding). The problem is, Bush and republicans were just as naive (stupid?) as their political opponents. Maybe we should have hired Putin as a consultant. He is a no nonsense guy.

We removed Taliban in Afghanistan using effective air campaign, special forces and a ragged band of warlords that we bought cheaply. This is a very successful strategy. Our government should read Machiavelli.

I don't know if Iraq war was justified given the circumstances. If it was I'd say we could have done everything from the air on the cheap, with smart bombs whose expiration dates were near anyway.

We can remove a threat from Iran easily, without feet on the ground, if only there was a political will. But instead we will talk, and talk, and talk to them, just as the europeans were talking to them for years with no effect, until they acquire nukes, hit Israel and we have to get involved in an apocaliptic war that will cost us 1000 times more.

Bush's problem was that he used our big stick without using the brain.
Obama is using the brain but I suspect he would not use the stick.
I would plead, bag, implore iranian fuehrer to not move ahead with his nuclear program but one beautiful night I would just incinerate 1000 or so infrastructure targets in Iran and in the morning fire my defence minister, apologise to iranians and offer all kinds of condolences and assistance... But that's me.
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It's just high time for you, gentlemen, to stop discussing politics - it's a dirty business.
I just wonder if you can explain me the meaning of the epithet gibbled. I know that it means drunk. But does it have any other direct meaning. Thanks a lot!
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It's just high time for you, gentlemen, to stop discussing politics - it's a dirty business.
I just wonder if you can explain me the meaning of the epithet gibbled. I know that it means drunk. But does it have any other direct meaning. Thanks a lot!
According to Google also

contorted, twisted
malfunctioning, broken
maimed or otherwise impaired

I've never heard this word used.

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Wasn't the same happening during Clinton's being at the WH? I remember him planning to do the same, to lay the tax burdain onto those with yearly income more than 250000$?
It was, but remember, Clinton came to power in 1992 and in 1994 there was a "republican revolution" with GOP taking majorities in both houses of Congress. In reality Clinton moved to the right and signed the welfare reform that dramatically reduced the number of people on public assistance - a very positive step!
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I've never heard this word used
I've met in Rowling's books, maybe it's british? The meaning was also - twisted, deformated
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And I've met it in the expression he is gibbled (meaning very drunk).
Thank you! Now I understand that it's a stage of alcoholic intoxication when a person can't move and speak properly.
Hope, you're not only English-speaking but also English-reading, so gonna ask you: Have you ever read (or do you know about) any postmodern English novels dealing with Greek, Christian, Indian, Celt etc. myths in them (except for works by Rushdie, Barth, Barthelme, Barnes, Fowles, Updike)?
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I would plead, bag, implore iranian fuehrer to not move ahead with his nuclear program but one beautiful night I would just incinerate 1000 or so infrastructure targets in Iran and in the morning fire my defence minister, apologise to iranians and offer all kinds of condolences and assistance... But that's me.
I am with you on that one... all my jewish friends are terrified of Iran. i am kinda expecting Israel to simply bomb Iran's nuke sites.

Ahmadinejad is not the real threat. He is a figurehead. The power are the mullahs. The trouble is that USSR was run by more-or-less rational people, and so MAD worked; with Iran, we can't be sure the Guardian Counsil is sane enough.
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I've met in Rowling's books, maybe it's british? The meaning was also - twisted, deformated
Aha, and you here! Seem pretty interested not only in etymology but also in meanings .

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Ahmadinejad is not the real threat. He is a figurehead. The power are the mullahs. The trouble is that USSR was run by more-or-less rational people, and so MAD worked; with Iran, we can't be sure the Guardian Counsil is sane enough.
Guys, guys, relax! You've turned the topic Let's communicate in English into something like Let's discuss politics all the time. People in this country seem already sick and tired of it and you keep on chattering about it.
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Nice! Is there any special books do you like to read? I like sci-fi, fantasy. I read recently "Дяченки, "Королівськя обіцянка" та "Ключ від Королівства"" I love their books. What about you?
There are a lot of books... but nom I'm reading The Angels and Demons by Den Braun.... I like to read.... I like read books in english.... I think it's good for practice
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And I've met it in the expression he is gibbled (meaning very drunk).
Thank you! Now I understand that it's a stage of alcoholic intoxication when a person can't move and speak properly.
Hope, you're not only English-speaking but also English-reading, so gonna ask you: Have you ever read (or do you know about) any postmodern English novels dealing with Greek, Christian, Indian, Celt etc. myths in them (except for works by Rushdie, Barth, Barthelme, Barnes, Fowles, Updike)?
Thanks a lot for quick response!
Never interested in this one. Sorry.

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There are a lot of books... but nom I'm reading The Angels and Demons by Den Braun.... I like to read.... I like read books in english.... I think it's good for practice
I never heard of this author. Is it interesting? I am in the middle to choose my next book to read.
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Hmm, I only had to mention books for the communication to be broken! Everyone is silent... I wonder whether it is postmodern or mtyhs that troubled you so much? I really need this info, so if someone knows, will be extremely thankful!

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Never interested in this one. Sorry.

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Thanks for responding anyway!
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I never heard of this author. Is it interesting? I am in the middle to choose my next book to read.
Oh. he heve written The Da Vinci Code. do you Hear about this book?????
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